[PODCAST] #326b: Logic Saves Lives Part 13 – Five Stupid Things About Libertarianism (2 of 2)


(Continued) Today we look at a video from self-proclaimed liberal atheist Steve Shives. Targeting libertarianism, this video is part of his "5 Stupid Things About..." collection. Many of you might enjoy some of his work, so please check out his website, stevelikestocurse.com.

We are now rebooting the series for the purposes of review and expansion. Tony Myers will be the permanent co-host for these episodes. See Tony's past School Sucks contributions here, and please have a look at Tony's comprehensive notes on the science of logic here.

Logic is about understanding reality in a non-contradictory way and how can we see things for what they are.

Metaphysical Laws

Discussion With Tony Myers:
-Applying the Trivium
-The rhetorical approach of Steve Shives
-More on why we failed in our first attempt to record this show
-Fallacies in "Stupid Things" numbers four and five
-The "Robber Barons"

4. It puts On Airs
We Agree but an atheist has nothing on libertarians?

What about statists? Ideas are so good we're justified carrying them out by the use or threat of violence

5. It's Naive
Yes, in a world we've inherited from complete insanity, it is.

Irony - graphic while describing libertarian dystopia
"Robber Barons: Proof that libertarianism does not work"
did you do your homework on these people?

who are the Robber Barons?
when did they exist?
What did they do
Where did they get their power?

These questions could launch us in to a whole historiographical discussion about the origin and intention of that term, and it's staying power in college textbooks of today.

The Truth About the "Robber Barons" - Thomas J. DiLorenzo - Mises Daily

As common as it is to speak of "robber barons," most who use that term are confused about the role of capitalism in the American economy and fail to make an important distinction — the distinction between what might be called a market entrepreneur and a political entrepreneur. A pure market entrepreneur, or capitalist, succeeds financially by selling a newer, better, or less expensive product on the free market without any government subsidies, direct or indirect. The key to his success as a capitalist is his ability to please the consumer, for in a capitalist society the consumer ultimately calls the economic shots. By contrast, a political entrepreneur succeeds primarily by influencing government to subsidize his business or industry, or to enact legislation or regulation that harms his competitors.

So if we accept the idea of the malevolence of the robber baron, we have proof that the state is dangerous.

Tycho - "Dictaphones Lament"
Wham - "Freedom"

Look Closer:

Will Durant - The Story of Philosophy
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Story_of_Philosophy

Tragedy & Hope Communications - http://www.tragedyandhope.com/

Trivium Education - http://www.triviumeducation.com/trivium/

Logical Fallacies Handlist - http://web.cn.edu/kwheeler/fallacies_list.html

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  1. Good job calling him out on his cookie-cutter mainstream BS.

    After listening to this series, I went to his site and checked out a few more random commentaries and was predictably disappointed. He is basically just another Brian Denning x Penn & Teller, statist troll who intentionally poisons the river of information from which large quantities of innocent minds are constantly drinking. In other words, he is a heartless LIAR-4-HIRE media hit-man paid to assassinate every possible “truth” he can get in his absurd, ill-logical cross-hairs.

    Deconstructing this kind of garbage is a truly honorable service to humanity, and for that I thank the 2 of you with complete sincerity! You could never do too many shows like this, in my opinion.

  2. Been catching a few of your episodes as we travel, and enjoy them. But your dismantling of Steve Shives was disturbing. I am one of thousands who got caught up in libertarian philosophy, eating up every National Review as it arrived (libertarian overtones), reading and digesting Rand, and then growing up a bit. It’s been decades now, but I began to notice that while libertarian philosophy is pure and sweet, when put into practice it leaves carnage in its wake. If only the world actually worked like that. Shives is actually in to something you’re not seeing – a real world connection between .”oughtta be” and “is.”

    You asked for someone to come on and defend him. I’d do it in a heartbeat if I were somebody important. I do hope you search earnestly and honestly for a voice to bring down libertarian philosophy, as it needs be done to preserve your essential honest outlook, in which I trust.

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